Detail from "Alma Baptizes in the Waters of Mormon" - Minerva Teichert - 1935 ca.
Note: This is a comment I made on my last post, but I thought it was pertinent enough to make it into a post of itself.
The concept of “keys” is not absent from the Book of Mormon. Whenever God has chosen to give authority to man to perform ordinances in His name, it has been by ordination and a dispensation of keys.
Taking the example of Alma, where did he get his authority? President Joseph Fielding Smith said this:
We should take into consideration in the study of the Book of Mormon the fact that it is an abridgment taken from the records or history that had been kept by the prophets among the Nephites. Therefore, many of the details are lacking. This is equally true of the history of Israel as it has come down through the years to us in the Bible. We are left to accept the fact that Lehi, when he left Jerusalem, held divine authority and that this divine power was handed down from generation to generation until the time of the visitation of the Savior. Moreover, while the detail is lacking, the evidence is very clear that the Melchizedek Priesthood was possessed by the Nephites.
There were none of the tribe of Levi among them, therefore it was by virtue of the Melchizedek Priesthood that they officiated. There are many passages in the Book of Mormon in which reference is given to the Holy Priesthood. We should also remember that the record that we have received is an abridgment, and therefore many of the details are of necessity missing. Moreover, we are informed that many important things have been withheld from us because of the hardness of our hearts and our unwillingness, as members of the Church, to abide in the covenants or seek for divine knowledge.
In the case of Alma and his priesthood, we are left to surmise that he legally and divinely received it before the days of King Noah. We read that Zeniff, the father of Noah, was a righteous man. Alma evidently received the priesthood in the days of Zeniff, and at no time did he fully accept the teachings nor with full purpose follow the counsels and procedure of Noah and his wicked priests…
Just at what time Alma received the priesthood is not clearly stated, but we may presume that it occurred before Noah came to the throne. Moreover, we must also conclude that Alma at no time truly entered into the wickedness of this wicked king…
Where did Alma get his authority? Evidently he obtained it when he received the priesthood, which through his repentance he had not lost. There can be no serious question in relation to his authority, for it is written – “And it came to pass that Alma; having authority from God, ordained priests; even one priest to every fifty of their number did he ordain to preach unto them, and to teach them concerning the things pertaining to the kingdom of God” (Mosiah 18:18). (Joseph Fielding Smith, Answers to Gospel Questions, vol. 4, 161-162.)
Whenever anyone is ordained to the priesthood, there is a conferral of keys. One does not hold the priesthood without a priesthood office. Every office holds keys of authority, or else there is no priesthood. Whenever Alma received his authority, it was by ordination from an authorized servant of God, and it contained keys.
Consider these scriptures that contain the concept of keys of authority being used and conferred:
Behold, thou art Nephi, and I am God. Behold, I declare it unto thee in the presence of mine angels, that ye shall have power over this people, and shall smite the earth with famine, and with pestilence, and destruction, according to the wickedness of this people.
Behold, I give unto you power, that whatsoever ye shall seal on earth shall be sealed in heaven; and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven; and thus shall ye have power among this people. (Hel. 10:6-7)And it came to pass that I, Nephi, did consecrate Jacob and Joseph, that they should be priests and teachers over the land of my people. (2 Nephi 5:26)
And Ammon said that a seer is a revelator and a prophet also; and a gift which is greater can no man have, except he should possess the power of God, which no man can; yet a man may have great power given him from God. (Mosiah 8:16)
And it came to pass that king Limhi and many of his people were desirous to be baptized; but there was none in the land that had authority from God. And Ammon declined doing this thing, considering himself an unworthy servant. (Mosiah 21:33)
And it came to pass that none received authority to preach or to teach except it were by him from God. Therefore he consecrated all their priests and all their teachers; and none were consecrated except they were just men. (Mosiah 23:17)
I, Alma, having been consecrated by my father, Alma, to be a high priest over the church of God, he having power and authority from God to do these things, behold, I say unto you that he began to establish a church in the land which was in the borders of Nephi; yea, the land which was called the land of Mormon; yea, and he did baptize his brethren in the waters of Mormon. (Alma 5:3)
And again, my brethren, I would cite your minds forward to the time when the Lord God gave these commandments unto his children; and I would that ye should remember that the Lord God ordained priests, after his holy order, which was after the order of his Son, to teach these things unto the people. (Alma 13:1)
But this is not all; they had given themselves to much prayer, and fasting; therefore they had the spirit of prophecy, and the spirit of revelation, and when they taught, they taught with power and authority of God. (Alma 17:3)
Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words, and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them—Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them.
And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying:
Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. (3 Nephi 11:23-25)And it came to pass that when Jesus had spoken these words unto Nephi, and to those who had been called, (now the number of them who had been called, and received power and authority to baptize, was twelve) and behold, he stretched forth his hand unto the multitude, and cried unto them, saying: Blessed are ye if ye shall give heed unto the words of these twelve whom I have chosen from among you to minister unto you, and to be your servants; and unto them I have given power that they may baptize you with water; and after that ye are baptized with water, behold, I will baptize you with fire and with the Holy Ghost; therefore blessed are ye if ye shall believe in me and be baptized, after that ye have seen me and know that I am. (3 Nephi 12:1)
Just because the Book of Mormon does not mention “keys” by name does not mean that they weren’t in use extensively, and being conferred from generation to generation, throughout Book of Mormon history, because, as we can see here, they were.
On the same note, we can surmise that there is also extensive temple work and temple references in the Book of Mormon, even if superficially the temple seems to be little spoken of, but only if we are willing to look for them. Over the last several months I have found the Book of Mormon quite literally saturated with the temple, but it is because I’ve had it as a conscious focus of mine as I have been reading and studying it.
Mormon is quite insistent in noting that he couldn’t even write the “hundredth” part of the records he abridged. Critics of the Church, both LDS and non-LDS, always seek to justify their unorthodox positions by resorting to “well, it’s not really mentioned in the Book of Mormon”.
The Book of Mormon is not, and never was intended to be, a complete encyclopedia or compendium of total gospel doctrine. It simply brings people to Christ by exhorting faith, repentance, baptism, and personal righteousness.
Of course, that is the crux of their beef: they want to do away with faith, repentance, etc. Those gospel fundamentals usually get in the way of “enlightened” positions on gay marriage, Gaia, and hatred of Republicans.
I can’t wait for Elder Maxwell’s triad of truth from the Lost Tribes that will further clarify the conferral of priesthood keys.
My understanding is that keys were the right to preside not the right to authority. I’m not sure how your scriptures establish the right to preside as evidence of the existence of keys in the Book of Mormon.
“To preside over what?”
The use of authority. The EQP presides over the elders’ use of their authority. The bishop presides over the AP use of their authority and so forth.
For example, consider what Elder Merrill J. Bateman said in October 2003 conference:
“The priesthood is the power and authority of God delegated to man. Priesthood keys are the right to direct the use of that power. The President of the Church holds the keys necessary for governing the entire Church. His counselors in the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles also hold the keys of the kingdom and operate under the President’s direction. Stake presidents, bishops, and temple, mission, and quorum presidents are given keys to guide the Church in their jurisdictions.”
“The ‘use of authority’ is given through conferral of keys.”
I view it as being more like the “use of authority” is given because of conferral of keys, not through the the conferral. That implies everyone who exercises authority has keys.
Even so, the scriptures above don’t prove keys existed. That’s a supposition you make, which is probably true.
Then how do you explain Elder Bateman’s modifier “Their counselors do not hold keys”?
Elder Bateman is talking about all counsellors, not just the ones in the first presidency. I am an EQP, and my counsellors were given no keys in their callings.
You can have priesthood without receiving keys. Keys are simply for governing the use of the authority. No one has keys conferred on them (except for a calling), only priesthood.
You can bless soemone with consecrated oil because you have an elders quorum president who directs the performing of the ordinance through his keys, not because of keys you hold.
Again, Elder Batemean said “priesthood keys are the right to direct the use of that power.” To direct the use of the power, not to use the power.
“The ‘rights, powers, and authority of that office’ are keys”
Huh? Now you are equating authority and power with keys? That doesn’t make any sense.
Bryce,
Current church policy is that “keys are the right to preside and direct the Church within a jurisdiction.” (CHI, 2, p. 161) Non-presiding Melchizedek Priesthood holders do not preside and do not direct the Church within a jurisdiction.
Whether your quorum president was with you or not is irrelevant to his directing the use of the Melchizedek Priesthood by his quorum members. It his responsibility that they are trained properly in how to perform ordinances.
Great discussion Bryce and Kim!
I have had this discussion several times over the last year or so. And we debated this nicely in HP group (not quorum – no keys) last week.
I believe that Kim is correct, but with the exception of “You can bless someone with consecrated oil because you have an elders quorum president who directs the performing of the ordinance through his keys” (said by Kim)
If tomorrow I was the last priesthood holder on earth I could not become the prophet, apostle, or bishop, I don’t have keys. I could not baptize or pass the sacrament, or administer temple ordinances because these must be done under authority of keys. But I can bless someone, prophesy, etc. but I can not administer ordinances without someone with keys directing the work. And just having priesthood does not imply key. Those who hold that position, in my opinion are usually just misreading D&C 107.
From what I can see, the Book of Mormon clearly states that Alma had priesthood, and either had his own keys, or worked under the keys of someone else. For example, I hold no keys (and not in bishopric), but the bishop has left me in charge, under his keys, to run the ward for a week. In that situation I could run the ward forever, okaying the sacrament, approving baptisms (this could cause a paperwork problem), what ever, to the extend that he gave me permission. As a missionary district leader has no keys to approve baptisms, but does it under the direction of his mission president, who does have keys. IMHO.
But, once again, I know this is a minority view.
-David
-David
Bryce:
I think we have a language problem. IMHO, “actual” keys are only given by the laying on of hands, and reside in a president, bishop, apostle, etc.. And they are not given when priesthood is given. They are given when set apart to a presidency etc. (however apostles each have all the keys necessary to run the kingdom).
Now, it may not be improper in a less specific sense to say that when just a regular elder does a baptism, he did it with the “keys,” but I think this usage of the word “keys” is meaning authority in a less technical sense, a general acknowledgment of proper authority, meaning it was done under the umbrella of authority.
Notice that in the restoration process, Joseph Smith had the priesthood, but keys were given over a period of time. Because he had the priesthood at first, does not mean he had authority to administer the temple ordinances, until he received those keys.
When the bishop authorizes me to do a baptism, he has not given me keys in a specific technical sense, but in a general sense, because I am working under his keys.
In at least two senses, the word “keys” can be equated with the word “authority.” But the authority of keys authority is beyond just holding the priesthood. That is why we are not given keys when we receive the priesthood. IMHO.
-David
Bryce:
Good points.
One note. Joseph and Oliver did baptize each other unto repentance (there were no authorized presidencies on the earth). They were re- baptized when the church was restored .
-David
May I touch on the ‘Alma’ question again. We know that when Noah became king, he “put down all the priests that had been consecrated by his father, and consecrated new ones in their stead, such as were lifted up in the pride of their hearts.” (Mosiah 11:5) I have to assume that “all” in this circumstance means ALL. A rational conclusion would be that this represented a break with the line of ordinations of priests, if that were even the case.
Once Alma exits the court of Noah and begins teaching, he next brings the people to the waters of Mormon. I find it very interesting that when he takes Helam into the water, he asks “O Lord, pour out thy Spirit upon thy servant, that he may do this work with holiness of heart.” (Mosiah 18:12) This seems to be a plea for ‘authority.’ He plea is answered as the Spirit of the Lord comes upon him (verse 12) and then proceeds to baptize him ‘having authority.” Rather then depend on a missing link, I prefer to pull the most rational meaning out of the text of the scriptures. This scenario, where Alma gets his authority directly from God, is equally plausible to your ‘missing’ information. How is it that God cannot call Alma to restore the knowledge and practice of the gospel? Perhaps, the intent of the story of Alma is to demonstrate just that point.
It is important to remember that the priesthood or authority of ANY man is conditional upon righteousnes, lack of pride, amdition and greed. Any attempt at dominion or compulsion will result in a man’s authority being null and void. We are also told that almost all men have this problem.
Yes, Bryce. There are two options here. You can either fit the scriptures to your view or seek to understand what is in the scriptures.
I had intended to contribute to your ‘one true church’ thread but you closed it. If you will permit me, I would like to add something that is pertinent to both threads.
In 3 Nephi 27, the Lord establishes his criteria on whether an organization can be deemed as ‘his church.’ Here they are:
1. If it is called in my name then it is my church (verse 8 )
This one is pretty easy. His church should be called the church of Christ, as we find noted in the scriptures.
2. If it is built upon my gospel (verse 8 )
This one is a bit more challenging and begs the question: How does Christ define his gospel. Fortunately, He provides a clear answer later in the chapter, and summarized it in this verses 19 through 21. This reference along with three others can be used to define the gospel. These include D&C 33:11-12, D&C 39:6, D&C 76:40-42.
In reviewing these four references, here is the summation of the gospel of Jesus Christ. He came into the world to save the world We must repent, be baptized with water and with fire and the Holy Ghost in order to receive a remission of our sins and be sanctified.
It is certainly debatable in my mind whether the church truly supports the idea of baptism of fire. This concept is foreign to most members and has been demoted to the result of a long Christ-centered life. According to the doctrine of Christ found in 2 Nephi 31:17-20, baptism by fire and the Holy Ghost is how we receive a remission of our sins and is the GATE (read entry) to the strait and narrow path to eternal life.
On this count, the LDS church is found lacking.
3. If it so be that the church is built upon my gospel then will the Father show forth his own works in it. But if it be not built upon my gospel, and is built upon the works of men… (verse 10-11)
What are the works of the Father? They are the same works that Christ did when He was among the Nephites (verse 21) There is a good summary in 3 Nephi 26:13-15 with the focus on the miracles performed by Christ among the Nephites; healing all their sick and raising dead.
What do we have as criteria for the condition of the LDS church? The late President Hinckley offered this information several times in the last ten years. These markers of the condition of the church included tithing, temple attendance, building temples and meeting houses, and renovating downtown Salt Lake City. May I ask, do these sound like the works of God as defined in the scriptures? No, they are the works of men. As such, ‘they will have joy in their works for a season.’ (2 Nephi 27:11)
Again, the LDS church is found wanting.
So, according to my count, the LDS church is batting 1 out of three.
Bruce,
Then explain to me why 2 Nephi 31:17-18 defines baptism by fire and the Holy Ghost is the GATE to the strait and narrow path to eternal life. What else is the strait and narrow path than that Christ-centered life of which you speak?
Also, according to Moroni 6:1-5, it is expected that we be ‘wrought upon and cleansed by the power of the Holy Ghost’ before we can be ‘numbered among the people of the church.’ It is clearly more, in both cases, than simply receiving the gift of Holy Ghost at confirmation. The expectation cited here the the same sanctification described in 3 Nephi 27: 19-20.
Abandoning the true significance of the baptism by fire as characterized in the scriptures is rejecting the fulness of the gospel. The examples of Alma, Enos, the people of King Benjamin, and the 300 Lamanites were given that we may liken to scriptures to ourselves. This is what is meant by repent and come unto me since it is Christ who will baptize us with fire and with the Holy Ghost just as he promised the Nephites in 3 Nephi 12:1.